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Bernard CLESSE
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1. In my understanding fresh samples should be viewed in water-based mounts to get the right measurements. Do e.g. Melzers's solution or CB in lactic acid change the measurements?
2. Dried samples should rehydrated in water and when this is done placed in an alcaline liquid (e.g. KOH) to get the right measurements. Dipping the sample in ethanol for a while before hydrating eases the hydration. Is this right?
3. Is it OK to make s tiny slice of a dried sample and rehydrate it directly on the slide in a drop of KOH for a minute or two?
4. When you have a spore print stored that is for example six months old, do the measurements change significantly? And if they do, how should they be treated to get the original size?
If you get a collection with plenty of material then try all the different techniques and make a careful note of the measurements of fresh and dried material. This will give you a good picture of the changes (if any) caused by your methods and readings using your personal microscope equipment/camera.
Do bear in mind that the use of different stains and reagents can have different effects on different types of fungi. With regard to ascomycetes I would recommend Lugol's iodine rather than Melzer's. This is well worth reading:
http://www.gbif-mycology.de/HostedSites/Baral/IodineReaction.htm
best wishes
Chris
To question 1:
yes, toxic media (like Melzer, KOH, ...) lead to a shrinking of cells (some more, some less). But this is only one important point. Killing of th cells also leads to a change - or better loss - of many important vital characters such as content of spores and paraphyses (e.g.).
Best regards, Lothar
In Ascomycetes it is the same. But especially for asci the shrinking effect is enormous, unlike for basidia, because they need an elastic wall for spore discharge.
Dried specimens should always first be studied in water, because (1) the spores sometimes survive several years and even the asci and paraphyses may do so, and (2) KOH dissolves important exudates in some groups, also lactophenol or KOH often change the colour of pigments.
If you cannot see the croziers at the ascus base, you need to add KOH+ Congo Red, but not from the beginning....
For more details please see here:
https://invivoveritas.de/articles/vital-taxonomy/
Zotto
Cheers,
Andy
no doubt that intraspecific variation in e.g. ascus and spore measurements may sometimes be greater than the difference between living and dead cells. But if you neglect the shrinking effect and compare, let's say dead spores of coll. A with living spores of coll. B, then you may erroneously conclude that the spores of B are larger than those of A, although they would have quite the same size when you compare them in the same state.
Consider that reduction in volume may often be around 50%!
Zotto
"The dependence of ascospore measurements on different preparation methods" by Kullman, Jakobson & Rahi
(Agarica 15, 245-254)
which can be found here:
http://www.soppognyttevekster.no/media/1193/agarica-1998-nr-24-25_komp.pdf
Cheers,
Marcel
Chris gave the link to your most informative article on iodine
http://www.gbif-mycology.de/HostedSites/Baral/IodineReaction.htm
and I am asking if we may post this onto our North West Fungus Group website, being so insightful ?
Best wishes,
John Watt
Zotto