Accès membres

Mot de passe perdu? S'inscrire

23-05-2026 11:44

Charles Grapinet Charles Grapinet

Hello, I am having trouble identifying this copro

23-05-2026 18:57

Sylvie Le Goff

Bonjour à tousRécolté sur une branchette de Sal

23-05-2026 23:53

Moreno Miriam

Bonjour ! Je travaille sur mon mémoire de master

22-05-2026 14:44

Lothar Krieglsteiner Lothar Krieglsteiner

in unripe condition citrine yellow, then soon fadi

22-05-2026 21:35

Steve Clements

Bonjour, I expected this find on old wood on our

22-05-2026 18:12

Lothar Krieglsteiner Lothar Krieglsteiner

... in moist chamber from Portugal.As the fungus s

22-05-2026 20:08

Ethan Crenson

Hello all,  Yesterday in NYC I was visiting an e

11-01-2022 16:36

Jason Karakehian Jason Karakehian

Hi does anyone have a digital copy of Raitviir A (

20-05-2026 17:47

Margot en Geert Vullings

We found this Mollisia on dead Juncus stems mown l

22-05-2026 14:47

Gernot Friebes

Hi,superficial ascomata collected on bark of a liv

« < 1 2 3 4 5 > »
Nectriaceae (?) On Picea abies.
Mirek Gryc, 13-03-2020 20:38
Hello everyone.
Will someone help me identify?
Thank you in advance.

Regards
Mirek

  • message #62016
  • message #62016
  • message #62016
  • message #62016
  • message #62016
  • message #62016
  • message #62016
  • message #62016
  • message #62016
  • message #62016
  • message #62016
Christian Lechat, 14-03-2020 16:43
Christian Lechat
Re : Nectriaceae (?) On Picea abies.
Hi Mirek,

it could be Thelonectria discophora, but this collection is overmature.

Christian
Mirek Gryc, 15-03-2020 10:01
Re : Nectriaceae (?) On Picea abies.
Hi Christian
A very hard topic for such a novice in this topic as me.
I had to review everything that is available on the internet before I came to any conclusions.
Initially, I tried to compare my collection to T. fuckeliana. However, the features did not suit me at all, although on the asco-sonneberg website I found collections identical to mine, signed just as T. T. fuckeliana;
http://asco-sonneberg.de/pages/gallery/nectria-fuckeliana-100325-mcol-0123451.php?group_id=7071&position=16
However, I measured the spores visible in the pictures themselves and their size is rather very similar to mine and not as stated in the description so I gave up this option.
Then I used the work "The genus Thelonectria (Nectriaceae, Hypocreales, Ascomycota) and closely related species with cylindrocarpon-like asexual states - 2016". I may be wrong but it seems to me that it is written with errors. There are large inaccuracies in the key (see scan No. 01).
Yesterday I came to the earlier work of the same authors and according to her my collection is the closest to Thelonectria discophora;
"Phylogeny and taxonomic revision of Thelonectria discophora
(Ascomycota, Hypocreales, Nectriaceae) species complex - 2013 ".
(See scan 02)
Today I have measured a greater number of spores and their dimensions are practically perfectly consistent with this description!
(11.4) 11.9 - 15.1 (16.2) × (4.6) 4.9 - 5.9 (6.2) µm
Q = (2.1) 2.2 - 2.8 (3); N = 34
Me = 13.4 × 5.5 µm; Qe = 2.5
Individual dimensions of the spores are given in the picture nr. 03

Christian, fruiting bodies are not overripe. I showed germs germinating but there were very few. In my opinion, the fruiting bodies are of the perfect age for microscopy. In my collection there are completely immature spores and free spores that are already germinating. However, the vast majority of spores are moderately mature, with ornamentation already formed. This time I have measured just such.


I compared other species but in their case the size of the spores is not compatible with mine!


Thank you for the hint!
You'll agree with me?
Regards
Mirek

  • message #62037
  • message #62037
  • message #62037
Christian Lechat, 15-03-2020 11:10
Christian Lechat
Re : Nectriaceae (?) On Picea abies.
Hi Mirek,

to know if it is T. discophora you should make a vertical section of lateral, ascomatal wall, which should be composed of cells of undefined shape, perpendiculary oriented.

Christian
Mirek Gryc, 15-03-2020 13:23
Re : Nectriaceae (?) On Picea abies.
Unfortunately, I can't interpret what I see.
There is no experience with this type.
I prepared some photos. Maybe you can read the necessary qualities from them?
Mirek
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
  • message #62050
Mirek Gryc, 15-03-2020 14:05
Re : Nectriaceae (?) On Picea abies.
OK! - thanks to Enrique Rubio, I think I already know what to show?
http://www.centrodeestudiosmicologicosasturianos.org/?p=15486
It is true that my photo is not as perfect as Enrique but you can see sufficient arrangement of the cells.
Is this how it was supposed to look like?
Regards
Mirek
  • message #62051
Mirek Gryc, 15-03-2020 14:47
Re : Nectriaceae (?) On Picea abies.
I add one more picture.
  • message #62052
Christian Lechat, 15-03-2020 15:53
Christian Lechat
Re : Nectriaceae (?) On Picea abies.
ok, it seems right for T. doscophora

Christian
Mirek Gryc, 15-03-2020 15:58
Re : Nectriaceae (?) On Picea abies.
Thank you !
Your help was priceless!
Mirek