Spores and excipulum

Asci and paraphyses

Hairs

Voir vers Cistella perparvula

Considering the tuberculate hair warts and the gelified excipulum this could well also be a Hyphodiscus. Spores and hemiamyloid ring would fit too.

Zotto

Thank you, Gut and Zotto.
There exists some species of Hyphodiscus that can fits with mine?
Some apos of my collection closely grew on pyrenomycetes

Hyphodiscus becomes more and more complicated. If you send me your plates by email in larger resolution, i will try to compare with my data.

Zotto

Dear Enrique

I compared your fungus with my images and come to the conclusion that it should be Hyphodiscus hymeniophilus, if it is a Hyphodiscus at all. The gel alone is not a good character in my opinion to distinguish two genera. In some of my finds I am similarly undecided to which of the two I should place them. But merging them is probably also no good solution.

I do not know Cistella perparvula. Guy, do you have images of a collection? It would perhaps be helpful to have a median section of the excipulum to see better the gelification and the orientation of the cells.

Zotto

Bonsoir,
Zotto, je ne connais Cistella perparvula que de la littérature. Voici mes notes sur ce taxon :
Cistella perparvula (P. Karst.) Nannf. 1932 Acta Reg. Soc. Sci. Upsal. 4(8) : 270 [P7]
º Peziza perparvula Karst. 1869 Not. Faun. Fl. fenn [Mon. Pez. Fen.] 10 : 162, n° 145 [P7]
º Mollisia perparvula (Karst.) Karst. 1871 Mycol. Fenn. 1 : 191 [P7 ; S8:341]
º Micropodia perparvula (Karst.) Boud. 1907 Discom. Eur. : 128
? ≠ Pezizella perparvula Karst. in Sydow M. March. n. 577 = ? Pezizella pudica Rehm Disc. : 657 selon S11:406
Diagnose: Apothecia sparsa vel gregaria, subobconica, albida, deorsum fusca, latit. 0,2-0,4 mm. ; sporae oblongatae vel elongatae, rectae vel curvulae, simplices vel guttulis exiguis paucis praeditae, longit. 7-10 mmm.,crassit. circiter2 mmm. ; thecae fusoideo-clavatae, longit. 60-70 mmm., crassit 6-8 mmm., apice iodo non tinctae ; paraphyses parum notabiles. Supra corticem Tiliae parvifoliae (et Betulae ?) prope Lukkarais in Merimasku regionis Aboësis mense Augusto.
Variat stipite brevissimo crasso fusco. Praecedenti nonnihil similis, sed notis datis facillime distinguenda. [Peziza vulgaris Fr. Syst. Mycol 2 : 146 (Desmaz. Cr. Fr. ed. 1 : 1065 et ed. 2 : 465) = Peziza albella With. Arr. 4 : 350 = Peziza avellanae Lasch. in Rabenh. F.E. ed. nov. 28]
Support: sur écorce de Tilia ou autres feuillus.
Notes: exclue du genre Clavidisculum (= Cistella = Discocistella) selon RAITVIIR 1970:79 et absente du genre Cistella (= Clavidisculum = Discocistella) chez RAITVIIR 2004. KARSTEN 1871 :191, lors de la combinaison dans le genre Mollisia signale des apothécies pouvant être substipitées (certainement ce qui influencera BOUDIER pour un transfert dans ses Micropodia) et surtout des asques I-. DENNIS 1949:59 signale des poils lisses faisant référence au dessin de NANNFELDT 1932 : 270, fig. 43d qui a étudié le type.
Biblio: DENNIS 1981 : 175, fig. XXIV K ; ELLIS & ELLIS 1985:5 ; BARAL & KRIELSTEINER 1985:63 ; CANNON et al. 1985:50 ; VA.

Avec des poils lisses difficile d'en faire un Cistella !
Amitiés, Guy

The remark "brown below" does not seem to fit to the present fungus. But from where do you have the statement that the hairs are smooth? Was it Raitviir?

Zotto

DENNIS 1949:59 signale des poils lisses faisant référence au dessin de NANNFELDT 1932 : 270, fig. 43d qui a étudié le type.

Yes, in comparison with the above row of typical Cistellas, C. parvula is smooth. So in the present concept of Cistella this is no Cistella, and also not the fungus of Enrique. But I would not wonder when sometimes molecular data would include smooth-haired species in Cistella.

Zotto

Merci beaucoup a les deux par votre aide. Many thanks again, Zotto.