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Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Georges Greiff,
10-03-2022 23:23
Bonsoir,
I hope everybody is well.
I wanted to check the ID of a Bryoscyphus, which appears to be B. phascoides, that I was sent recently. It was growing on lower parts of Rhytidiadelphus squarrosus moss shoots. Based on some searches and material in Zotto's folder, I think this is correct. Apparently, this fungus is rather common on R. squarrosus according to some other AscoFrance comments.
I have put a link to the page with images on my website / blog below. Please excuse the poor quality.
Thanks and best wishes,
George
Hans-Otto Baral,
11-03-2022 09:56
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Yes, to my memory this fits well.
Georges Greiff,
11-03-2022 12:42
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Thank you, Zotto.
I don't immediately see labelled sequence info on this on Genbank. I hope to get ITS and LSU for it as the collector has found more material. Along with recent B. rhombisporus and two Pithyella spp., I hope we can understand a bit more about the relationships between these genera.
Thanks again and best wishes,
George
I don't immediately see labelled sequence info on this on Genbank. I hope to get ITS and LSU for it as the collector has found more material. Along with recent B. rhombisporus and two Pithyella spp., I hope we can understand a bit more about the relationships between these genera.
Thanks again and best wishes,
George
Hans-Otto Baral,
11-03-2022 17:11
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
This would be great! Perhaps you can do another try for the ascus base?
There exists ITS and LSU for a sample by Ingo Wagner (not in GB) which has simple septa.
Georges Greiff,
11-03-2022 17:17
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Thanks Zotto. I will have a proper look at the ascus bases as I kept some tissue.
All the best,
George
All the best,
George
Georges Greiff,
15-03-2022 00:36
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Hi Zotto,
I hope these photos help to clarify. I received more material with enough apothecia for sequencing, so hopefully that will work.
All the best,
George
Hans-Otto Baral,
15-03-2022 08:16
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Perfect! No croziers. I am curious for the DNA result!
Georges Greiff,
15-03-2022 10:59
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Thanks Zotto. Me too. Giving it a shot this coming weekend so fingers crossed they work.
Best wishes,
George
Best wishes,
George
Patrice TANCHAUD,
15-01-2023 22:20
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Bonjour Georges,
as-tu un résultat ADN pour ta récolte ?
Merci.
Patrice
Merci.
Patrice
Georges Greiff,
16-01-2023 10:17
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Hi Patrice,
Unfortunately it did not work that time. I have the material so I will try ITS & LSU again when I can and let you know here.
All the best,
George
Unfortunately it did not work that time. I have the material so I will try ITS & LSU again when I can and let you know here.
All the best,
George
Patrice TANCHAUD,
16-01-2023 10:47
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Understood, thank you Georges. I asked you the question because I have a harvest that looks like yours, without hooks at the base of the asci.
All the best.
Patrice
Patrice
Doc1-0071.pdf
Hans-Otto Baral,
16-01-2023 11:28
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Yes this appears to be the same thing, and who knows which is the true phascoides. Could you please provide a bit of data such as date and host?
Patrice TANCHAUD,
16-01-2023 11:37
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Unidentified moss on the ground, in the town of St Georges de Didonne (Charente-Maritime), several harvests between January 1 and 15, 2023.
Patrice
Georges Greiff,
16-01-2023 12:13
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Thanks. Would you be able to show some different pictures of the moss host from further away? I might be able to identify it.
Best,
George
Best,
George
Michel Hairaud,
16-01-2023 16:15
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Bonjour,
I would also believe there might be several B. phascoides . At least the H- and H+ forms have clearly been documented.
It would be interesting to check whether spore guttulation and spore shapes are the same for these both ''forms' I hereby join 2 pics showing spores of them.
Amitiés
Michel
I would also believe there might be several B. phascoides . At least the H- and H+ forms have clearly been documented.
It would be interesting to check whether spore guttulation and spore shapes are the same for these both ''forms' I hereby join 2 pics showing spores of them.
Amitiés
Michel
Patrice TANCHAUD,
16-01-2023 16:20
Georges Greiff,
16-01-2023 16:22
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Thanks. The host seems to be Hypnum cupressiforme var. lacunosum.
Patrice TANCHAUD,
16-01-2023 18:11
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Merci Georges.
Hans-Otto Baral,
16-01-2023 19:00
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
I could not find a difference in spore size and guttulation between the two groups. Typical is that a larger LB is in the broader part and a smaller LB in the narrower part of the spore, each surrounded by small ones. But a tendency to more mutliguttulate is also observed as one to large-biguttulate. I think this depends also on spore maturity or external influence.
Your two samples, Michel, I might not have, at least the right one I did not see, not anything comparable to it.
Hans-Otto Baral,
21-01-2023 10:27
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Hi Michel
I stumbled again at your two pics. You spoke about H+ and H- but you did not say which of the two photos are H+ and which H-. Do you not know?
Zotto
Michel Hairaud,
21-01-2023 15:01
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Bonjour Zotto,
Yes I think I should know -:)
Here are pics of the H+ one.
If data needed, will send next week, once back home
Amitiés
Michel
Yes I think I should know -:)
Here are pics of the H+ one.
If data needed, will send next week, once back home
Amitiés
Michel
Hans-Otto Baral,
22-01-2023 09:48
Re : Bryoscyphus phascoides?
Yes, I would be interested in the data.