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Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
Mirek Gryc, 12-04-2021 18:47

Hi.
Initially, I marked this collection as a Hysterium pulicare, but I do not have a certainty so I am asking for help.
Spores:
(19.2) 21.8 - 25.9 (27.3) × (6.9) 7 - 7.7 (8.2) µm
Q = (2.8) 3.1 - 3.3 (3.6); N = 7
Me = 23.5 × 7.3 µm; Qe = 3.2

27.27 8.21
19.18 6.86
21.83 7.09
22.40 6.99
25.93 7.25
23.22 7.16
24.72 7.75
greetings
Mirek

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Peter Püwert, 12-04-2021 21:04
Peter Püwert
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
Hi, in my opinion Hysterium pulicare. Hysteropatella prostii has other characteristics.

Regards Peter.
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Mirek Gryc, 12-04-2021 21:53
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
Thank Peter!
Mirek
Adam Polhorský, 12-04-2021 22:42
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
I think I see blue pigment in epithecium so it should be Hysteropatella elliptica. Hysterium never opens this much when hydrated.
Peter Püwert, 13-04-2021 01:22
Peter Püwert
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
Hi, You're right, Iodine has changed the spores something and I havn't seen the opening disc, wich is why I'm wrong.

Regards Peter.


Hans-Otto Baral, 13-04-2021 07:51
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Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
First: I never saw H. elliptica on substrates other than Salix.

Second: Hysteropatella spores have cells of +/- equal length, with the end cells +/- paler but not as pale as here.

But Hysterium pulicare has also cells of equal length.

I saw Hysterium spp. with relatively open though rough hymenia, so this would not exlcude this genus in my opinion.

How certain is the substrate Betula?
Mirek Gryc, 13-04-2021 08:47
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
Hello everyone and thank you for your interest in the subject and valuable comments.
As I mentioned, initially I described this collection as a Hysterium pulicare  due to the brighter colored ends of spores. However, I did not know anything about the existence of Hysteropatella elliptica. Yesterday, I found a bit of data about it and I had the impression that morphological features more match this species?
However, as Zotto said, he did not fit a substrate.
Yes, it's definitely Betula (I place a more general photo).

I have one more similar collection also gathered from Betula but I have not yet explored her. However, these grew on the bark, I will post later.
greetings
Mirek

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Peter Püwert, 13-04-2021 12:35
Peter Püwert
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
Hi, surely I wouldn't be with Betula.

Peter.
Mirek Gryc, 13-04-2021 15:35
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
Hi Peter
Do you mean that this is not Betula?
I can only add that the picture is actually not the best. It was made with very cloudy weather. In any case, the bark was white, definitely whiter than in the picture.
Mirek
Alain GARDIENNET, 13-04-2021 17:36
Alain GARDIENNET
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.

Hi friends,


First, thanks to Mirek.


In 2011, I collected one fungus on Betula, kept in herbarium under the name Hysterium sp. cf pulicare. There were many hysterothecia, densely packed against each other, and if I well remember, elongated, not like H. pulicare that is morphological variable.  It was observed on decorticated wood, next to, and under the bark, like Mirek's ones.


I can look at it again, if necessary. Microscopy was like Mirek's one.


Alain

Hans-Otto Baral, 13-04-2021 20:59
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
Hi Alain

I would be curious if the spores were looking like Mirek's ones, end cells much paler and much shorter than middle cells.
Alain GARDIENNET, 13-04-2021 21:03
Alain GARDIENNET
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.

Hi Zotto,


I will check it, Keep in touch, please.


Alain

Mirek Gryc, 14-04-2021 11:39
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
As a complement to the discussion, I place photos of another collection, which I mentioned before.
Ascomata grew on a birch bark, on a trunk after a cut tree.
I place more photos of spores showing their various.

Their dimensions:
(18.6) 21.2 - 24.4 (24.8) × (5.2) 6 - 6.9 (7.5) ?m
Q = (2.9) 3.2 - 3.8 (4); N = 15
Me = 22.6 × 6.4 ?m; QE = 3.5


24.36 6.06
21.17 5.24
21.55 6.57
22.74 6.03
22.58 6.34
18.64 5.78
23.21 7.48
23.07 6.94
21/06 7.15
24.79 6.58
22.99 6.41
22.75 6.79
22.27 6.43
23.28 6.07
24.45 6.85


Comments are welcome :)
greetings
Mirek

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Hans-Otto Baral, 14-04-2021 11:59
Hans-Otto Baral
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
The ascomata of this find remain too closed and show ridges on the hymenium when exposed, also the outsde is with longitudinal striation. All this I remember to be typical of Hysterium. This is not a Hysteropatella.
Mirek Gryc, 14-04-2021 12:03
Re : Hysterium pulicare or Hysteropatella on Betula Sp.
Thank you Zotto
Mirek