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aide dasyscyphus?
michel hurtu,
16-12-2006 09:23
je penserais bien à Dasyscyphus acutipilus , mais l'écologie ne colle pas selon ma doc.
les spores : 10x3,10x2,10x3.
michel hurtu,
16-12-2006 09:25
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
suite, poils ? 1gr=2,5 mu
michel hurtu,
16-12-2006 09:28
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
micro suite
michel hurtu,
16-12-2006 09:30
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
dans le melzer
Jean-Pierre Chevrolet,
16-12-2006 09:34
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
dayscyphus niveus?
J.Pierre Chevrolet
J.Pierre Chevrolet
michel hurtu,
16-12-2006 09:50
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
merci Jean Pierre pour ta réponse rapide , mais j'avais éliminé niveus car je n'avais pas vu d'incrustations sur les poils .
Guy Garcia,
16-12-2006 10:04
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
Peut-être Colipila masdeguae ad int ? Zotto qu'en penses-tu ? Faudrait une photo dans l'eau.
Guy
Guy
michel hurtu,
16-12-2006 15:57
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
voila des photos dans l'eau.
c'est quoi, Colipia masdeguae , je ne le trouve nul part , même dans cabi ?
c'est quoi, Colipia masdeguae , je ne le trouve nul part , même dans cabi ?
michel hurtu,
16-12-2006 15:59
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
et encore une :
merci pour votre aide
michel hurtu
merci pour votre aide
michel hurtu
Guy Garcia,
16-12-2006 20:52
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
Colipila masdeguae est un genre et une espèce que nous devrions publier avec Zotto Baral d'où le "ad int.".
Cette espèce est représentée sur son DVD (dans les Dasyscyphella).
Il faut contrôler si les paraphyses de vos spécimens contiennent ou pas des guttules réfringeantes car vos apothécies se colorent en vieillissant.
Amitiés, Guy
Cette espèce est représentée sur son DVD (dans les Dasyscyphella).
Il faut contrôler si les paraphyses de vos spécimens contiennent ou pas des guttules réfringeantes car vos apothécies se colorent en vieillissant.
Amitiés, Guy
Hans-Otto Baral,
17-12-2006 17:02
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
Dear Michel & Guy
yes, I agree, this is very probably our Colipila. It is really time to publish this nice species although I had preferred to await a molecular analysis. Describing a new genus is always an ambiguous matter, but placing this species in Dasyscyphella or Psilachnum is similarly advantageous.
Your photos dans leau are made from the dried apothecia? They look dead and therefore like having granular cell contents. Colipila is not xerotolerant therefore needs to be studied in fresh state in order to, f.ex., delimit from Psilachnum which has refractve vacuoles in paraphyses and hairs and usually grows on grasses.
I would very much like to have a look at the substrate (to identify the host genus). Also, if you find the species again I would beg you to please send it to my address in fresh state.
Zotto (Hans-Otto Baral, Blaihofstr. 42, D-72074 Tuebingen)
yes, I agree, this is very probably our Colipila. It is really time to publish this nice species although I had preferred to await a molecular analysis. Describing a new genus is always an ambiguous matter, but placing this species in Dasyscyphella or Psilachnum is similarly advantageous.
Your photos dans leau are made from the dried apothecia? They look dead and therefore like having granular cell contents. Colipila is not xerotolerant therefore needs to be studied in fresh state in order to, f.ex., delimit from Psilachnum which has refractve vacuoles in paraphyses and hairs and usually grows on grasses.
I would very much like to have a look at the substrate (to identify the host genus). Also, if you find the species again I would beg you to please send it to my address in fresh state.
Zotto (Hans-Otto Baral, Blaihofstr. 42, D-72074 Tuebingen)
michel hurtu,
18-12-2006 15:41
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
dear guy and zotto
thank you for your answer.
the studied material looked fresh, it had stayed in a box two or three days in the fridge. In fact the preparations in melzer give it this granular aspect, I suppose. Enclosed two pictures in red congo I took yesterday. By the time most of the species became dark brown. The coming thursday, I will be back again on the site and I will send you the species if I find it again.
how could I get the dvd you notice ?
hope to read you soon
michel hurtu
thank you for your answer.
the studied material looked fresh, it had stayed in a box two or three days in the fridge. In fact the preparations in melzer give it this granular aspect, I suppose. Enclosed two pictures in red congo I took yesterday. By the time most of the species became dark brown. The coming thursday, I will be back again on the site and I will send you the species if I find it again.
how could I get the dvd you notice ?
hope to read you soon
michel hurtu
michel hurtu,
18-12-2006 15:42
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
and the second picture :
Hans-Otto Baral,
18-12-2006 18:32
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
Hi Michel
let me know your post adress and my friend Guy Marson will send the DVD to you
Zotto
let me know your post adress and my friend Guy Marson will send the DVD to you
Zotto
michel hurtu,
18-12-2006 18:57
Re:aide dasyscyphus?
michel hurtu
pharmacie
56 rue Anatole France
54210 Saint Nicolas De Port
France
thank you
michel hurtu
pharmacie
56 rue Anatole France
54210 Saint Nicolas De Port
France
thank you
michel hurtu