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01-10-2014 16:54

Blasco Rafael Blasco Rafael

Hola, ¿¿ QUIEN SE ACUERDA DE QUE DIA SALIO EL ME

01-10-2014 15:38

Carmen Echavarri

Hi everyone I collected this fungus on wood of La

30-09-2014 19:58

Blasco Rafael Blasco Rafael

Hola, una ver Que les PARECE ESTA Scutellinia, no

30-09-2014 21:49

Chris Yeates Chris Yeates

Bonsoir toustoday I collected a few scattered apot

30-09-2014 18:30

Hans-Otto Baral Hans-Otto Baral

Hidoes anybody have access to these articles?Lohma

30-09-2014 17:31

Nicolas VAN VOOREN Nicolas VAN VOOREN

Voici un Ascocoryne récolté par un collègue qui

12-04-2013 20:29

Enrique Rubio Enrique Rubio

Hi to everibodyThis fungus, collected on thin bra

29-09-2014 13:29

PASCAL DUBOC

Bonjources scutellinia poussant sur terre et bois

29-09-2014 16:14

Blasco Rafael Blasco Rafael

Hola, esta Podospora estaba al lado del Saccobolus

26-09-2014 11:17

Rubén Martínez-Gil Rubén Martínez-Gil

Hola a todos. Subo unas fotos de unas Helvella qu

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Asci with 4 spores
Jennifer Fiorentino, 01-12-2020 15:59
If an ascomycete typically produces 4 spores in each ascus does this mean that division stops at the 4-cell stage or that maybe after the 4th division which should give a final eight spores one of two spores aborts? I am examining a lichenicolous species of Pyrenidium and after many attempts found an ascus with 4 mature, brown spores. This is important for its ID. However when observing numerous asci in the process of development I am given the impression that 8 spores are developing. Each spore is finally tri-septate and so the 4 cell lumina might be contributing to my interpretation of counting 8 spores..
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Franz Berger, 01-12-2020 17:16
Franz Berger
Re : Asci with 4 spores
To possibilities:
First: 4 of 8 ascospores are vanishing in course of maturisation, in this case, You could find normally also asci with 6  or 8 spores.

SEcond: nature has provided only 4 spores, which is the case in Pyrnidium actinellum  and is not bound to the number of septa ! You will find this also in spores with 2 septa also, but normality are 8/ ascus.. 
In lichens there are also examples with 1, 2, 4,  8, 16, 32, 64, .../ ascus; e.g. Pertsuaria has some species with only 1 spore, which has no septum.. 

Jennifer Fiorentino, 01-12-2020 20:03
Re : Asci with 4 spores
Many thanks for your input. I did identiify my lichenicolous fungus as P. actinellum based on the final 4 spores in the ascus as well as on presence of 3-septate spores and their size.. So if I understood your first statement correctly the development does not stop at the 4 spore stage but may go on and eventually "extra" spores do not mature further so ascus remains with its 4.
I agree with your second statement where you say that there is no connection between spore number and number of septa in each spore.
Thanks.